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not see anyone who wants to own what i own. we can stay there if three things happen, pakistan becomes a different country, karzai becomes a different man, and obama succeeds in doing nation- building in afghanistan. when i look at that, i say, "where is the ownership?" there is no town in afghanistan that our marines cannot take. is there any town in afghanistan that afghans can hold? i look for the ownership in what we hope for a decent outlook in afghanistan. >> but we do not want to get bogged down in an individual circumstances. the question still remains. i am trying to draw a parallel but not an analogy. the point still remains. we have to decide whether or not we will have a worldwide military presence in the sense of actual interference or trying to own situations, political situations, by military means. that this really affects every single thing have spoken about today. >> i agree there will be trade- offs and we will have to face up to that. there's no question. we are the tent pole that holds up the world. i am not sure how comfortable i would be in hawaii if china contro
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